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i recently heard somebody playing with the boss dr.770,very nice sounding little box as well! Luis --- Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote: > Kevin wrote: > > OT I know, but then again, you all know a lot of > useful OT things like > > which is a better cheap drum machine, the Alesis > SR16 and the Zoom RT > > 223. I can find both used for less than $100 and > was curious if anyone > > had any experience with either of them that might > sway me one way or > > another. I'm basically looking for a machine I > can play live and has > > Midi out. Beyond that I'm flexible (other than > wanting to keep my costs > > around $100). > > Kevin, I owned the grandaddy Alesis HR-16 (precursor > to the SR-16) since > 1980-something, and finally had to retire it last > year when the LCD window > got all mushy-black and the pads needed continual > cleaning to work. I loved > this machine in a way that would make my wife > jealous. I got the Zoom 223 to > replace it. Initially I was pretty jazzed up - good > effects, good sounds, > moderately easy programming. Then I hit the memory > wall. The friggin' thing > has NO memory. You'll get a few sets programmed, a > few patterns written, a > few songs assembled, and right in the middle of > writng something you'll get > a "memory full" message. For me, this is a real > deal-breaker. It has other > shortcomings as well: > * No MIDI out! No MIDI Thru! (MIDI in works fine, I > drive it from my > recording workstation) > * You can't overlay sounds as on the Alesis. I used > to build the coolest > patterns by mixing just a hint of timbale with a > snare, maybe a deeply > detuned snare really soft on all the drums as well > to simulate snare rattle, > stuff like that. No can do on the Zoom 223. > * Zoom 223 has only 2 outputs. Alesis has 4. I used > to program my cymbals to > outputs 3 and 4 and run them through a Microverb to > get a l-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g > cymbal wash > * Zoom 223's little backlit LCD window of > information is painfully small. > > I will say this for the Zoom 223: > * It runs on batteries. I get totally in another > world when I carry this > little paperback-sized box around, slip on a set of > headphones, and lay down > some whack gamelan-meets-rave patterns while sipping > a latte at Starbucks. > * The sounds are really good, and deeply tunable. > * The pads on the 223 are better than the old HR-16. > Can't compare them to > the SR-16. > * Some nice bass sounds on the 223 (upright, slap, > synth, harmonics, etc.) > * Some nice effects (good reverbs, compression, > bit-reduction distortion, > distressed analog distortion, etc.) > > If you'd like to hear my use of the Zoom 223 in a > standard song context, you > can go to my web site and listen to the one song > I've posted so far. Try > this link: > http://www.thecoyote.org/music.cfm > Scroll down about 1/3 of the way and look for > "Postmortal Postman." The > drums are a Zoom 223. > > Yesterday I bought the Alesis/Ion drum pad-drum > machine set at Costco for > $200. I've heard that the pad-to-MIDI interface is > glitchy, but I figure I'm > getting the drum machine for $150, plus some pads > and a glitchy interface > for $50. > > Bottom line: I'd grab the Alesis SR16 over the Zoom > 223, particularly used > for $100. > > Best, dB > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > PS - I love your ps: > > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be > the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the > root cause of all trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news