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Now how would one prove that formal logic has any objective truth ,beyond what's assigned to it? I'm inclined to the sort of view at the core of bhuddism, ( and at least implied by Korzybski,Whorf Bohm,Kuhn,Goedel,Bohr,etc.)that subject/object is a mental construction, a useful tool for sorting through sense impressions and 'data',but a source of illusion if treated as being fundamental. I see desire is a key element in aesthetics,if I had a headache and just want to sleep the funkiest New Orleans parade band could be a serious bummer,but if I want to feel excited and joyous, loose and rowdy,what could be better? When I played a lot of dance music I observed that the bands that made people really give it up and raise a sweat dancing were feeling the rhythm ,and energy of the room,and working with it like someone dancing with a partner. Some instruments mimic human voice,and players that work that connection can elicit emotional responses. As do melodic phrases that mimic speech. Those of us who are just fascinated,obsessed with sound,can respond to things others don't notice,so I would say one approach to good composition is effectivey working with the attention of the listener,providing something familiar that gives a frame of reference,and then contrasting that with something new,that is delightful or profound,or whatever. Since nerve endings only register difference,too much of the same stimulus can stop registering at all,hence the sensory isolation tanks,and various trance music traditions can cause people to not register their physical surroundings. So working with contrast tends to keep the music in the field of attention. Melody ,melodic phrasing ,ancd certain types of "rhytmic driving" affect brain wave freq.s and can cause the brain halves to entrain,functioning in a more or less balanced way. Music that engages listeners and takes them out of their habitual thought patterns,so that they forget their troubles and lay down their burdens,will often bring them back for more.The blues among other forms,is rooted in this approach,though some players don't understand that-or care maybe. Personally I like really wierd stuff,but I know that some kinds really weird stuff can sometimes be put across to listeners that aren't interested by making it groove. To judge a piece,of any art form,I try to look at the intent of the artist,and wether they use their materials well ,effectively, in pursuing that intent. There are artists who are very skillful at the craft aspects that don't speak to me.A lot of Mozart ,esp. earlier stuff ,sounds like fluff to me,but it seems to reflects the emotional orientation of the audience he was writing for,upper crust germans in the days when men wore powdered wigs.I recognize that his stuff is well crafted. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline