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I played moondog on the radio too. I first encountered Gramps in Pike st mkt in the early 80s. He's at least as strange off stage as on,it's not really schtick.If you know Gramps from the OCF we've prolly crossed paths,I've been going since 74-this will be my 33rd year. Last time I busked in Pike st mid 90s, Gramps gave me a decent tip. I made my liveing ,or at least the money I ate on w/ street music in the early 70s in my rambling days. Did really well in Canada,like 15US an hour in the mid 70s when min wage ws 2 ,but it was cause I was so bad they felt sorry for me. There was another guy in SF in those days,Professor Gizmo who had a washboard jug ,harmonica kazoo rack and varios slide whisltes,sirens bells etc. I recall him doing a fully orchestrated version of St Louis Blues. The bucket drumming thing started on the E.coast sometime in the early to mid 80s.it was a long time before it got to the W. coast. It's probably a meme that more than one person thought of. There are some people who play big 50 gallon plastic barrels and pots and pans ,any sort of junk percussion ,on the street n Santa Cruz who sometimes really wail .I've played with them when they had a very intense syncopated ,fast 15 going ,and they all knew where they were. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3