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On 25 maj 2007, at 09.24, Jens Wolters wrote: > Studio drummers play like that. If well done it doesn't sound > boring at all. Yes, isn't that the point using studio drummers? ;-) Fact is the drummer I played with on that Germany tour is "a studio drummer". That's why he was able to do it that way on stage and why we other musicians trusted him rather than bothering with hearing the backtracks while also acting out up front. But this discussion is totally dependent on musical style, not to forget. I just mentioned this drummer because of that neat "huge-ear- protection-gear"-covering-small-audio-headphones trick. Fact is we played a style that draws on everyone in the band to play tight ON the beat. With the live looping music I do today it's the opposite concept; it starts to groove when as few elements as possible is placed directly ON the beat - one should rather play "around" the beat as "an instant commentator" (check on Fela for top inspiration on this concept in non-looping music). Per