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----- Original Message ----- > It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop > users > themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. And of course you can run Mobius in MAX/MSP as well, inside the VST object. It may be more accurate to say that the main computer-based looping camps are: VST (Mobius, Loopy Llamma, Electronix XL, Augustus Loop, Angstrolooper, Cold Cutter, Divine Machine, etc) Standalone (Mobius, Live, SuperLooper, Ambiloop, Feewheeling, etc) MAX/MSP (max loop patches only, not VST, like the Kaiser Looper -which I use, and any other max developed looping patch) http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm K-