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Richard Sales said: "I like the idea of hardware loopers because I just don't wanna look at computer screens any more than absolutely I have to. Someday I'd like to have a Kid Beyond kind of setup (is that his name?) where Ableton is controlled by a foot controller." Oddly enough, I just like the 'look' of hardware more than someone hunched over a laptop. It's maybe a little fetishistic, but I just love looking at a bunch of multi-colored blinking lights in a hardware rig. Also, I agree with you about the seemlessness of Kid Beyond's rig which is really great (and frees him to be a fanastically effective performer). That being said and done, his set up took a tremendous amount of time to set up and reflects a show that though it has improvisation built into it, is a set of performances (like Amy X's wonderful non-improvised material) that have been carefully constructed and must be adhered to. I just love free improvisation too much and want to be able to improvise on the fly. This frequently either precludes the kind of complexity and pre arranged signal processing that Andre (Kid Beyond) has programmed into his set or it requires using several different styles of looping gear. I have a ton of options with a line 6, a repeater, a looperlative and an edp (soon to have a Kaoss 3 pad as soon as I can reasonably afford one) so I have great flexibility in turning corners on a dime. I also love to resample loops to manipulate them in the different ways that the looperlative, repeater, edp and line 6 do. I am, however, ambivalent about this approach too sometimes, and have been contemplating starting to add some arranged material into my live shows..............we'll see how far I get this summer before Y2K7 Rick Walker