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----- Original Message ----- > > There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong > another 3 times to make it > seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this >all > the time. It's just a nit, but I've never talked to a jazz musician who as subscribed to this so-called axiom. I think the axiom was created by people who either didn't understand jazz or who couldn't play it. I think it is ridiculous...continue playing a wrong note? And to do so to "make it" seem like it was on purpose. This feels rather deceitful and insincere to me. Of course, once you play a so-called wrong note, then you have to accept it as such and it becomes part of the weave, but to repeat it, that could be a freakin' disaster if applied as a general rule of thumb. Jazz musicians who I have talked to who believe in wrong notes call them "clams", and they don't repeat them unless to be humorous or to mock each other with call and response. Free Jazz might warrant some exceptions, but with improvisation in traditional or modern jazz, I do see a tendency for folks to subscribe to the "wrong note" theory and not repeat them. In fact, the really technical players tend to be embarrassed by them. They are called "avoid" notes in traditional jazz theory and improvisation, and they don't repeat them. Here is another quote, that can also be taken out of context or mis-applied: "There is no such thing as a wrong note." Art Tatum Kris