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My 2 cents, The best mixer I've found for my own looping purposes is the long out-of-production ROCKTRON G612. 12 chanels and 2 stereo FX send/returns and by puching a button you can turn the whole thing into 2 virtually separate 6-channel mixers with 2 mono send/returns each. Mine died a few years ago and I was forced to try to use something else (for general lack of availability of the G612s). I now use an old ROLAND ME120 that suffers from the same flaw that the Rane suffers: 2 mono sends. It's quiet and (so far) reliable though, and I've found ways of making it work. As long as I continue to loop with hardware it'll have a place in my rack. The ROCTRON G612s were/are scarcer than hen's teeth, but there are still ROLAND ME120s around here and there. I still have my G612 tucked away in it's original box. Someday when I find someone who can fix it I will be a happy dude. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote: > I've been using a Rane Sm-82, 8 stereo channels, and a two in two out >stereo > effects return. I bought it off E-bay. A more affordable option is a Euro > rack mixer from behringer. They make a one rack space model that is >similar > to the rane but actually has a headphone out which the Rane does not. I'm > very happy with the rane, though I'd like to get it modded like David >Torns > to have two independent effects sends. > > Bill >