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Howdy, Was into all the doctor's office stuff as a kid. Lenny Dee, Wes Montgomery, burt Kaemfert, etc. Then discovered the SYNTHESIZER in 71. Immediately went to ELP, Beaver/Krause,etc. Then was turned on to a "giant" sax line by one of my fellow school band trombonists. Turned out to be sax and guitar on King Crimson's "Portrait of a City(including 52 at Treadmill. That started the Mellotron infatuation. Then, in 75 at my girlfriends house I saw an album with an eyeball in the center and balls flying away from it. Now I had heard Rundgren's pop stuff on the radio and ALWAYS enjoyed it, but "Utopia" was arevelation. As soon as it was done, I played "Todd". I was never the same. Something about it grabbed me on a visceral level and not just the HUGE sound of the live band with TONs of synths. Years later I discovered that during that period he could not play 3 note chords. To him something was missing and he always had to play 4 notes. I personally did not feel gratified in my playing unless I was morking in major and minor 7ths and 9ths. Now i know why that period of Rundgren took over my life. The sound inside me that also HAD to have that 4th note. I'm still looping with Ibanez DM-1100s by the way, and 1 Roland RE-201. Going to dig the 16 track out and cut a few loops for it, start recording and see what hppens. I will be restricted to one loop lengnth but putting sync tracks in at different note durations will make for interesting triggers for the 5 sequencers I have for my modular, Roland SHs, and EML 500. Put guitar and other sundry devices over the top, sub loop the big loop with the DMs and RE and I can erase, record, punch in/out, change trigger tracks, wherever I want. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!!! (might be fun) Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php