RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

[Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>]

Hi Kris,

I haven't really played with fiddle~ much. I know that tone you're talking
about - there are probably some GR-300 enthusiasts around who have
duplicated that patch, and could tell you all the parameters. You could
probably find some useful results through Google.

So fiddle~ isn't responding as you'd like? That's interesting info -
pitch-to-MIDI isn't easy (in realtime) even for monophonic voices (and
audio-to-amplitude, for the Velocity parameter of the midi note isn't that
easy either, but if you're making your own synth, then I think you're 
better
off controlling amplitude continuously from your guitar amplitude, rather
than extracting an initial value to create a MIDI note-on message). I 
assume
you're trying to use this to analyze a monophonic playing style, not
confusing fiddle with more than 1 note at a time.

You might try putting filters and/or compressors in front of fiddle~. Or, 
if
latency is an issue, you might try playing with synth sounds that have a
somewhat slower attack - letting the guitar provide the initial attack and
then "backing it up" with a synth sound that comes in a tiny bit slower is
not a bad way to fudge the inherent latency in pitch extraction. Or, of
course, you could use the pitch extracted to control something entirely
different (though I'm sure this wasn't your original goal), like filter
frequency.  

Warren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:18 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota
> 
> > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that  
>your
> > synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max  looper?
> 
> Speaking of the gtr synth, Warren. This is where I'd like to pick your
> brain. I have this vision of creating a max/msp version of the old Roland
> GR-300 guitar synth...you know, the one that Metheny and Abercrobmie used
> to
> us that has the really organic, and "grunty" violin/horn like sound to 
>it.
> I
> think it is basically some sort of saw wav based synth, but with other
> things added. I have the beginnings of the synth opearting in max now
> (using
> fiddle~ to convert my real time audio into frequency data for the synth
> objects), but it is squirelly and out of control. The tone is getting
> there,
> though.
> 
> Kris