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Well, if you're looking for a step up with flexibility you can find a Lexicon MPX1 used for around $400 and that will let you route to your hearts delight.... I still think the VF1 does some stuff (like the synth) better though. I am a fan of that Lexicon aerosol patch though. Hook that up to some real time cc's and much mangling can be had. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? > +1 on the VF 1. Very similar to the Boss GT series of pedalboard FX units, which I am addicted to. You m,ust actuallt work to get into the sounds available, but a wide range of qulity effects IN ANY ORDER AT ALL can rock your world if you take the time to explore. The ring modulator alone is worth the (low) price. Unfortunately the VF-1 does NOT allow you place the effects in any order at all. There are a bunch of locked algorithms and a few that allow you to move MOST of the effects. And my second biggest complain about the box (though I do really like it overall) is that many of the effects are stored in groups and you can only have one effect from that group at any given time. So no Pitch shifting AND ring modulation for instance. Or no slow gear with tremolo and so on. I much prefer the Old(?) digitech model where you could place ANY effect in the chain as many times as memory permitted (you could line up eight stereo pitch shifting modules in a row if you wanted). I still love the VF-1 though, especially being able to map up to four parameters to a single continuous controller. Kevin I wish the VF-1 allowed a little more flexibility in -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org