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In the first 24 hours of the LD Off Topic List we have 5 messages, but one of them mentions looping In that same time period on the On-topic LD list 157 messages 4 of which are on topic 10 have OT in the title well, that's a bit unfair, some of the mac vs pc stuff contains info that might help a laptop looper, it's only a rough count. It clearly doesn't work to ask people to put OT in the title, and anyway not all of us have email filter skills. I think the off topic list offers subscribers a useful chance to discuss non-looping subjects without worrying about clogging up the main list with posts that have little or no relevance to the core subject. As to all things being related, I fear that before the relevance of the antics of politicians in Idaho to looping can be made apparent we shall all be long dead. i.e. obviously all things are related in some way, but lets consider whether that relationship is actually significant. please reply on the Off-topic list if at all :-) I promise not to continue this thread here even if Kris says something really tempting. andy butler