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On 31 aug 2007, at 19.45, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Ok, just trying to understand (and also like Todd asked): why do > you do > this? Because I think it makes the recording sound better. > More specifically, let's say I take a source signal with a strong > center > component (almost always true for bass, bassdrum etc.). > > So, this signal is a mid signal, and shall be the only content of M. > Then we have a side signal S (the non-mono component), and that one > relates > to L and R as follows: > > L = M+S > R = M-S > > Now for your mix clones, I will always postfix the channels with > the number > of your clone, e.g. the left channel of stereo mix clone 1 is L1. > > We get with the above equations: > L1 = -M-S > R1 = -M+S > > L2 = M-S > R2 = M+S > > L3 = M > R3 = M > > So, for the submix (which will get index s), we get: > > Ls = -M-S+M-S = -2S > Rs = -M+S+M+S = 2S > > Now in the last stage, you mix that together with your Submix3, > which gives > you as your final mix: > > L = M+S > R = M-S > > So, why do you do that? Is that a very complicated way of > controlling the > M/S balance? Yes. And since it is "very complicated" it is also very delicate which means you can achieve good musical results if you learn it. > > Then you said: > >> Combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter and >> goniometer (not affecting sound, only for reading out data), >> EQ, multi band compressor (sometimes, not always), limiter, a >> second combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter >> and goniometer. > > Is it always that order, and that choice of components? > I.e. either EQ->Mcomp->Lim or EQ->Lim? Which means you never use a > compressor pre-EQ? Yes. It may be possible to do it like that as well, but I have found it easier to tweak the sound by starting out with a plain EQ. Every other effect are more or less dynamical so I kind of regard the EQ as "the foundation". Since more stuff is going to be balanced on top of it I find it logical to apply it as the first process. > An idea and a question: > > The idea: your stage B) is accomplished quite simply and without > the need > for submixes etc. by a lot of VST plugins, some of them free. > > The question: have you ever worked with a M/S signal in stage C? > E.g. it > might make sense to work on the M and S signal with different > settings for > compression and maybe even EQ. Yes, quite often actually. But my stage (B) always comes before stage (C). Sometimes I find it faster to create a stereo file on the hard drive and duplicate it into three clones for the further phasing processing. Other times I patch up all processing from A to C in the same session. I use Logic but any software or physical mixing board with routing capability should do. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international)