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With a few exceptions maybe, like Phish and the Dead (and other copy cats)...those guys did total free and spontaneous improv on stage...albeit, integrated or sandwiched in between their normal songs. Phish was always a great inspiration for me. And I love the Dead's Infrared Roses. I always thought if I had to become a pop musician, that this was the approach I would have to take, otherwise I would end up slitting my wrists after two months into the tour. The idea of playing the same set of songs set after set makes me nauseous, and this was the primary source of me disbanding groups I have started in the past, because show after show, I started feeling like a cover musician of my own material. I don' know how a lot of these pop artists do it, night after night. I would most certainly turn to drugs in that situation. :) And now I don't pre-write anything for my performances. Everything is spontaneous. I think I tried to do a cover of one of my looping tunes once, based on an audience request, and I botched it. I couldn't even remember my parts enough to loop it right. Heh heh. I'm a tabula ras sort of performance guy now. I get off on it. I thrive on it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > And, by the way, it is my perception that the loopers who enter the > mainstream consciousness in any way are never free improvisors - the > "public" (gosh I'm using a lot of quoted words today) has never seemed to > care much for that form approach. Not surprising, really.