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I had a strange experience playing with a long time collaborator a while back. We play very abstract atmospheric space music (sort of) with me on guitar and my friend on keyboards. At one point while we were playing I looked up and found that he had started playing a previous jam we had had earlier and playing on top of that. At first I was sort of upset, 'what a cop out' and all that but then when I started thinking about it it seemed to me that this was really not very different than his loading any other sample or patch and playing to that, it was still a live choice in the music. So I have no problem with pre-recorded bits now. BUT, I only like them if they are played spontaneously as yet another part of the overall sound. For me there has to still be a random element to it. If a prerecorded loop or sample is used where people have to play to the sample then I'm really not so happy with it. But if the pre-recorded material is played as yet another live element where anything can happen along with that sample then I'm all for it. Kevin > I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of > pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. > triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or >even > a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If > this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more > about your why you feel this way. -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org