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This is the last forwarded message of data I've posted on the VG-99.
This one details a few more annoyances I'd encountered...
(once again, to those list members who deem this data as OT, i would
to thank you for your patience. and i hope your index fingers aren't
getting too sore from using the 'delete' key. :)
--m.
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:40:52 -0700
>From: Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
>To: vg-99@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: A Few More Minor Quirks....
>
>A few more non-laptop-related things here that aren't quite on target
>with the
>VG-99.
>
>1.) Effecting your Normal Guitar output.
>
>It does not appear that you can use the Guitar Output jack in conjunction
>with
>the Guitar Input. I wanted to have a simple effects loop to add a couple
>of
>stompboxes onto the Normal Guitar pickup, just as I do with the VG-8EX,
>and as
>I believe you can also do with the VG-88.
>
>Nope. On the VG-99, that actually results in a horrible feedback
>loop. If you
>plug in a passive pedal with no gain amplification, then you get
>absolutely no
>audio. Be prepared, however, if you try it with a more active pedal that
>can
>do gain amplification or impedance matching (I tested with a Sansamp
>Paradriver
>and a Yamaha Magicstomp), since it's going to give you howling, beeping
>feedback.
>
>If you want to effect the guitar's normal pickups with anything besides
>the VG
>or laptop effects, you'll need to run a 1/4" guitar cable out of your axe,
>through your pedalboard, and into the Guitar Input jack. This is in
>addition
>to your normal 13-pin cable. Yes, that's a pain.
[Addendum: I later found out that this is also how the VG-88 is set
up. With the VG-8 (the other unit I own) there's no problem with
using the Normal Guitar Pickup outputs and the Aux Inputs as an
external effects loop. This is a know issue for VG-88 owners. --m.]
>
>2.) Cannot really control the morph rate on Humanizer.
>
>Rather than the obnoxious (IMNSHO) "talking guitar" effects, I'd wanted
>to use
>the Humanizer's formant filters on some ambient pad beds from the synth.
>I've
>discovered on other devices that setting a slow fade between vowels
>usually
>works -- and sounds -- very nice for these sorts of sounds.
>
>There's a design error on the Humanizer that prevents you from doing this,
>however. You see the "rate" control isn't actually controlling the rate
>that
>one vowel morphs into another. Instead, it only seems to control the
>delay
>before the vowel changes from one to another -- the actual rate of
>change seems
>to remain the same.
>
>So, let's you wanted an "O" filter to change to an "A" over the span of
>two
>measures. In an ideal situation, the sound would morph slowly between
>vowels
>over the course of 8 beats. With the current implementation, though, the
>filter sticks fully on "O" for 7 beats, then suddenly jumps to "A" on the
>8th
>beat. :P
>
>I'm currently experimenting with workarounds. I'll let you know if I can
>get
>around this properly.
>
>3.) String panning is NOT retained through COSM Amp models. (Vance,
>you're
>gonna hate this one.)
>
>Since this has come up in the past on the list, I did a thorough test
>when it
>occurred to me that this was happening.
>
>I took one of the generic COSM Guitar models on instrument Line A (I
>turned Line
>B off entirely). I panned strings 1, 3, & 5 hard left, while
>panning 2, 4, & 6
>hard right. Then I removed all other effects and devices from the chain
>so
>that we're only testing COSM Guitar through COSM Amp.
>
>Unfortunately, every single Pre-amp model in the VG-99 failed to preserve
>the
>string panning that I'd set up. The stereo image collapsed into mono
>every
>time I switched on the COSM Amp.
>
>Also, you need to be careful with which effects you're using here as well.
>After I determined that the COSM Amp exhibited this problem, I turned it
>off
>and tested the Effect Chain. About 1/3 to 1/2 of the effects there
>also failed
>to retain the string panning, collapsing the image into mono again. The
>good
>news here, though, is that the effects that squash to mono are pretty
>much the
>standard stompbox effects that you would expect to do this -- compressor,
>wah,
>etc. About half the effects -- including things like delay, reverb and
>EQ --
>preserve the string panning just fine. Effects like the 2x2 Chorus,
>which are
>supposed to generate their own stereo image, appear to squash to mono but
>then
>output stereo. But that's the point of those effects, IMHO.
>
>I don't think that the effects doing this are necessarily going to
>give anybody
>major heartburn, but the Amp models are a problem here. The obvious
>workaround
>is to use both Lines A & B, with one panned right and the other panned
>left.
>However, this eats up a whole guitar line just to retain stereo through
>the
>Amps, and you can thus forget about any creative layering.
>
>A bit disappointment there, considering the this question had been asked
>of
>Roland point-blank, and answered in the affirmative. Unfortunately, the
>rep
>who had tackled this question was either mistaken or misleading. :(
>
>More as I find 'em....
>
> --m.
>
>--
>_____
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>murder... later"
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