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Ahhh....gotcha. Right! Yes, I can wiggle, if the looper/recorder/fxbox/genielamp can do reverse and speed/pitchshifting and has some other possibilities for chaotic tweakage. (I don't like the DL-4, unfortunately). I hadn't thought about a digi 4-track in that way, in truth. I may research a bit. appreciated, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >>And I don't want to be so fetishistic about tape that I can't bear > the thought of looping without it.<< > > So I thought there might be wiggle room. > > > :-) > > BobC > >