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Whoa...is there time-stretching, apart from pitch? Or are you referring to the simultaneous pitch/time shifting? Artifacts = yummy! I didn't realize it had reverb. I'm never too interested in that but if it's crappy and "mushy" as you say I might find it useful. Too bad about the batteries. thanks, Andy - Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Rainer pretty much covers the subject here, so I'll just add a couple > of points > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Short summary: got one, don't really need it (had already two looper >> stompboxes), but didn't return it. >> >> Slightly longer version: >> There are three things that suck: >> 1. varispeed is only available for the looper, not for the delays >> 2. you have to hold down one footswitch for recording/overdubbing >> (not so much of a problem if you're wearing shoes) > > I don't have any problem without shoes, but it's a somewhat clunky way > to make a loop and not so easy to get it accurate > >> 3. no independent mix control for looper and delay > > In general you can either control the delays, or the loop, but not both. > You can't stop the Loop without turning off the delays. > >> 4. only delays up to 3 seconds > > and tap time won't go up to the full 3s > > 5. Won't run on batteries > 6. To re-record a loop the process is hit Bypass, hold Tap for 500mS > or more, hit Bypass, then make the new loop. > 7. Time stretching is full of artefacts ( could be a plus ) > > 8. Reverb (which can be got on it's own) is digital mush (again, could > ba a plus) > >> >> Well, 2 is not so much of a letdown, and for 4 I already got the >> DD20, but 1 >> and 3 are. >> >> Nice things: >> 1. you can varispeed the loop >> 2. lowpass/highpass (which sits in the feedback for the delays, but >> unfortunately in the output path for the looper) >> 3. you can adjust feedback level while overdubbing (EDPers call this >> "secondary feedback") > > EDPers call it feedback, "secondary feedback" is a Mobius term > > >> 4. small package > > 5. "Instant Reverse" : just hold "tap" and you hear what you just > played coming out backwards for up to 6s( as an alternative to the > loop). This function alone makes the pedal worthwhile, great for band > use. > > 6.Reverse echo is capable of some interesting textures. > > 7. Can be persuaded to be a flanger or chorus with a bit of effort.