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Phil asked: "Why should musicians be paid,why has our (western) society decided this is correct? would the benefits to the world in a society where no musicians are paid outweigh the benefits to the fewer musicians who do get paid....?" An equally valid question might also be: "Why SHOULDN'T musicians be paid?..................especiallly if they have trained hard and dilligently for all of their lives; eschewing money, health benefits, living in homes that they own, giving everything they can possibly give to their artistry or their craft." "Why should we put monetary value on a Doctors' profession or a Lawyers' profession or an excellent Bricklayers' profession for all of their intelligence, incredible devotion to their vocation in terms of education and their considerable expertise in their chosen field and then turn around and say, "why value a musician for doing the same thing with potentiall just as much investment of time, intelligence, hard work and creativity." ****************************** I was trained from a relatively early age to be a scientist: groomed by my parents to go in the path they choose. I gave up prestige, money, social standing, security, even health (I just went to the dentist for the first time in 20 years because it was difficult to afford it) because I eschewed that path (and the approval of my parents) to commit my entire adult life to music. I did it because I felt called to do it. In a sense, I did it because I had to on some spiritual level. I watched as most of the musicians I knew who even attempted this path, dropped out, one by one to go back to school or to take lucrative jobs in software fields (or even crashed an burned on drugs, alchohol and mental illness) or to raise families. The last decade of my life, especially, the air has become rarified to see the number of people who stuck this tough life out in the Northern California where I live. It's sometimes lonely to be quite frank to be a professional musician AND to try and be an artist at the same time. I'm really, really proud that I never gave up. I'm proud that I sacrificed everything I sacrificed so that I could devote my entire life to music and music alone. Why on earth shouldn't I make a living doing it............................even the really shitty living that I make doing it now? Why would musicians on this list of extreme creativity begrudge me making a living doing this thing that some of us have sacrificed most of our lives to be involved with? ************* I have no problems with people who specifically eschew professionalism or musical careers because it impinges (as Paul Haslem so eloquently put it) on their ability to be creative. I don't think everyone should strive to be a professional musician. I think there are many artists in the world who are incredible and that whether they make a living or not has nothing to do with the quality of their music. I got incredibly lucky........I was able to be a professional musician and yet ALWAYS have a fully creative project going along the entire length of my career (though rarely did those artistic projects add much to my actually living financially). Again: I can't fathom why people on this , of all lists, would begrudge me the desire to devote all of my time to music that a professional musical life affords me?