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>>As much as I love David Torn - and I really, really love him - I nominate him for this list for his habit of creating a massive loop, then letting it continue unaided as he pops to the bar for a beer, or once when he saw him, to call his kids in the middle of the show. As if we need more proof that the technology is doing all the hard work...!<< saw fripp do something similar back in 1995 in the lobby of QEH in london; he was using solid-state loopers by then (TCs?), not the revoxes (my first disappointment) & having created a couple of un-synced long washes of super-distorted guitar tones (i.e. what anyone could do in a few minutes with an e-bow) he wandered off to the side of the performance area & started to chat with his tech. his flight cases, which seemed to be way too much stuff for the noises we were hearing, were also supporting small framed pics of his recently deceased mother. yeah, it didn't seem like he was working too hard at it. him & eno both seem to have this obsession with "letting the machines play", which would be more interesting if the machines in this case weren't just delay boxes. (I like the idea of sseyo's koan, but setting it off, even in the right direction, & then leaving it to it's own devices just doesn't do "it" for me.) I would've taken a picture of the scene, but you know how RF is about that.... duncan. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is prohibited. While MTV Networks Europe has taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are virus free, it is your responsibility to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free and do not affect your systems / data. Communicating by email is not 100% secure and carries risks such as delay, data corruption, non-delivery, wrongful interception and unauthorised amendment. If you communicate with us by e-mail, you acknowledge and assume these risks, and you agree to take appropriate measures to minimise these risks when e-mailing us. MTV Networks International, MTV Networks UK & Ireland, Greenhouse, Nickelodeon Viacom Consumer Products, VBSi, Viacom Brand Solutions International and Comedy Central are all trading names of MTV Networks Europe. MTV Networks Europe is a partnership between MTV Networks Europe Inc. and Viacom Networks Europe Inc. Address for service in Great Britain is UK House, 180 Oxford Street, London W1D 1DS, UK.