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> Andy wrote: > I don't think the DL4 models in the M13 include the Looper . > Maybe at Line 6 they just watch those Roland/Boss DVDs all day :-) > (hence the major focus on canned backing) You mean re-issueing "old" technlogy in a new package? :) Yep, Roland is in that. And about the M13 looper, this is what the FAQ says: "Much like the DL4, it’s a straight-forward sound-on-sound looper (where you can build up sounds by overdubbing them one at time) but we have made a few upgrades: you can loop up to 28 seconds, you get one layer of undo and you can use all of your effects while using the looper." So if I interpreted this well, you can use 4 effects and the new looper at the same time. It's a pitty the looper still is mono though. Anyway, it could be very usefull as a "pre-looper" to create all kind of effects and short loops of 2.5 sec's max . Sjaak