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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote: > > Sweden? ;) Here in Sweden I have taken on another concept, since the first live looping tour 2003. I have been reluctant to putting on an amateur event, since I did not estimate that to resonate well with the Swedish "media climate". I also personally did not like taking advantage of musicians in the way you actually do when hiring them to perform without getting paid. Instead I have invited musicians (on this list and elsewhere) to join a longer "open-stage live-looping" tour that is focused around concerts and workshops that event producers buy, i.e. a pro concept. By setting this pro level I also qualified for some culture/art funding, a source that is normally closed for amateur activities. This approach also meant I did not receive many attenders (the first year only Matthias Grob and Rick Walker joined in) but on the other hand I gained credibility when pitching the tour to media. We still lost money, though. Guess I'm just not "pro" enough ;-) However, there are always other ways. I might look into finding a partner here to put on a one or two days festival with loads of performers that won't get paid. But I wouldn't want to market it like a pro event, since that may look lame. I'd rather market it PROUDLY as a true amateur gathering and manifestation!!! ("the pros of amateurism" is a long and interesting discussion that deserves a thread in its own right) But as for practical arrangements I need to work with professionals to handle the venue, the sound system and everything that comes with that. So that's the next stage here is finding a partner for the muckwork. Ok, friends - since we took over Berlin last week lets take over Europe next ;-) (referring to Fabio's post) ...heard some rumor about Athens next summer, but just rumors so far. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen