Re: pitch shifting and harmonizing again (emergency)

["aaronleese@flyloops.com" <aaronleese@flyloops.com>]

ha ... nice reflection.  I won't differ with you on the whether musical randomness reflects our every day experiences in some higher way ......

Instead, I think we can agree that .....
randomness is a beautiful thing when harnessed correctly .....

But I think that with any advanced looping device  (say, one with multiple loops that have independent frequency controls mapped to individual midi knobs)  ...... it becomes pretty easy for the musician to generate randomness using the loop tool as an instrument.  That being the case, I see no need to write a computer function to do so ...... though getting a program to generate randomness does a lot to drive home the whole metaphysical point of chaos(the sound) out of order(the computer generating the sound) out of chaos(the world) out of order(the world too) ... which is cool on a philosophical level.

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From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:53 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: pitch shifting and harmonizing again (emergency)

Cool. :)  Actually, we've moved from a potentially OT topic to an actually looping topic.  What I sent Todd were just max pitch shifting patches...nothing looping oriented.  But anytime a looper can do interesting pitch gymnastics, that is a good thing in my book! 

 

So you think randomness makes a mess?  I feel when it is harnessed appropriately, it can be a beautiful thing. It reflects the reality of the world, pockets of choas framed within order, the fact that we can't control everything in life, etc.  Now we're really on OT, but a while back I would have been horrified by the idea of my computer doing things for me randomly and not knowing what to expect. You could have called me a "control freak", and there are a lot of us on the list, I'm sure. Now, with my unbelievably stressful and orderly life with a corporate job, 3 year old twins, etc, where everything is based on predicable schedules, I look forward to playing music and relinquishing some control and predictability.  It creates a nice balance for me.

 

Kris

 

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I don't do random ...... I don't need a computer to make a mess for me, I can do that myself.  Decimal point, yes ..... you can tweek the playback speed from 0 to 16x ..... and any amount in between.  The semitone buttons and tonal shifting options are for convenience in case you want to shift ONLY to notes that are tonally related.

In the case of building a chord for example .... you can record the same tone to three tracks, then shift one of them by +4 semitones(a major third) and another by +7 semitones(the fifth). 

You can also stack while tweeking the playback speed up and down .... the stacked audio will be smeared across the audio (meaning you alter the record speed when you are recording and frequency shifting) ..... you can do this with decay and have a smeared, decaying, stacking, pitch shifted mess if you want .....

and yes, multiple tracks can be shifted by different amounts at the same time.  You can map it all to midi controls and tweek on up and another down at the same time .....

flypaper is the stuff we had in the barn when I was a kid that hung down from the ceiling and caught all the flys.

any other questions?

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From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:57 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: pitch shifting and harmonizing again (emergency)

But can you randomly change pitch, control the speed and range of randomness (or make that random), pitch change down to the decimal point (semi tones and smaller or linear change), and do this with multiple pitch changes simultaneously? :)    Ever heard of Fly Paper? :)

 

Kris

 

----- Original Message -----

Flyloops can do pitch shifting too ..... there are little +1 SEMITONE, -! SEMITONE buttons on the "tweek speed" panel.  You click that button a few times til you get it up to where you want to shift (4 semitones, say, for a major third) and then click the loop track you want to shift by that amount.

You can also click the "tonal shifting" checkbox and then turn a midi control knob to shift the pitch only by semitones. 

I should note that this is a frequency shifter, not a pitch shiftier though ... so it speeds up playback.  If the loops are set to sync (default), they will repeat early to stay in time with the master.

See the screenshot and interactive demo at: http://www.flyloops.com/demo/
If you have a PC, download here:  http://www.flyloops.com/download.htm

wait about a week and there should be a video on semitonal frequency shifting on the webpage too ....  I'm a bit overdue for that one.

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From: "todd reynolds" <toddreyn@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: pitch shifting and harmonizing again (emergency)

thanks, Kris, anxiously await! 

please just make sure I can understand your ins and outs, being the non max expert that I am, as you know... !

t.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:

Todd - I know you talked to Jeff (we just talked as well), but I'll send you a few of my pitch patches, including one that stacks 6 pitch shifters, and a few patches that sound very Evantidish.

 

Kris

 

Hey all,

I'm throwing this out there for our max mavens... 

My Eventide will not arrive in time for a piece I need it for... TOMORROW... 

damn.

so here is my predicament... Last time I tried to use gizmo~ to make a pitch shifter which sounded good, I was entirely unsuccessful.  

is there any one of you out there who has a max patch which will harmonize with two additional pitches above or below the root pitch which sounds great which you'd be willing to send me?  I have to play single notes and have it track well enough to sound like a chord in real time. 

thanks in advance for any support you might give. 

and best to all.

Todd





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In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force

The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.

http://blog.toddreynolds.com