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Thanks for the link. There is a bit of stretching on the astronomy, but it's interesting. The three stars in Orion's belt don't EXACTLY line up with Sirius, and they are always positioned that way, not just on December 24th. I think that whether or not they line up with the sunrise depends on where you are in the world, gotta check that. Does the sun/son homonym work in any language other than English? But it's interesting. I haven't gotten to the 9/11 stuff yet. On 8/2/08, Dave <prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, there is a lot of pre-movie graphics, etc. I guess they needed to >fill > time...but they stuff so much info in afterwards, ya wonder why they > bothered. > > Glad you liked it. Definitely opened my eyes to a few things. I knew a >lot > of the 9/11 stuff, and it's not that uncommon of knowledge (at least in >my > circles), but I think people here are resigned to the govt being too big >and > powerful for them to do anything. They keep us in fear, keep us broke, >and > keep stripping our rights...but there is no one organizing. > > And do you mean to tell me that people in *Norway* believe in the 9/11 / >US > govt conspiracy also? > > Has Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" been played there (though much >milder > than is this film)? > > The relevance to the section on religion is that US politicians invoke >the > name of G-d to help them get elected, then do nothing close to practicing > wholesale Christianity once they have the chance, when they get into >office, > for thousands, if not millions, of people. They use it to consolidate >voters > for them. My understanding is that the discussion of personal religious > beliefs by European candidates for office is basically unheard of. >Perhaps > that's why this portion doesn't come across? > > Personally, I think the 'separation of church and state' in America has >done > more to foster its growth than it has to hold it in check. > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mark francombe > <mark@markfrancombe.com>wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> i just wanted to say, that although I took it with a fairly hefty pinch >of >> salt, I just downzoned and watched your suggested link to Zeitgeist. >> >> THANK YOU! >> >> And although one has to wade through quite a few minutes of long and >drawn >> out arty farty nonsense, esspecially at the beginning, which was a >shame, >> ... WOW... what a movie... Not that i had'nt heard most of it before, >but >> for its well researched and (shock horror) brilliantly written and >> presented >> messages. >> Take this off list if you prefer, but how was this movie made, and has >it >> been aired? I may be able to get it shown on Norwegian TV, over here... >if >> only as a highly editted form (three episode for example)... >> I didnt quite see the relavance of the Religeon section, and the subject >> has been done to death on Discovery recently, but again, the conciseness >> and >> simplicity of how it was presented made an often muddy subject clear! >> >> BUT THE 911 STUFF... OMG... The government funded and planned operation >of >> 911, is a commonly held hypothesis over here, but there was so much in >> this >> depiction that i never heard of!!! A few unanswered question too >however, >> can't this be spammed to the American voter somehow??? >> >> Thanks again, you saved me from a sofa doze evening... >> >> M >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Dave <prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> They're confiscating any laptops they feel like confiscating and >copying >>> the hard drive for later inspection, the way I heard it. And you may or >>> may >>> not get it back and they may or may not tell you when. It's just part >of >>> how >>> they're stripping away our rights in their attempt to have a 'war on >>> terror'. >>> >>> Hitler did the same thing...burned down his own buildings, called it a >>> terrorist attack, used it to consolidate the country's people against >his >>> enemy to further his agenda, stripped the people of their rights and >>> started >>> wars he said were pre-emptive. The more we let them get away with this >>> kind >>> of thing, the more they'll do it, and the more they do it, the more >>> they'll >>> know they can get away with. And now with an election coming up that >they >>> know they're likely to lose, they'll start doing all kinds of stuff to >>> insure that their agenda has to be carried out even in their absence. >In >>> my >>> opinion, that's why they took the terror alert up the other day...just >>> something to scare people...just a little...but they'll take up another >>> notch or two...before they invade Iran or whatever they feel they need >to >>> before they get out of office... >>> >>> Wanna download something legal, and worthwhile? >>> http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ >>> >>> Sure, it's conspiracy theory stuff, but that doesn't make it >>> incorrect.... >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Warren Sirota >>> <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Per, I disagree with you on the semiotics of jihad, but that path just >>>> leads to political arguments better held elsewhere. there are endless >>>> places on the web to "discuss" things like this. >>>> >>>> In regards to this laptop inspection thing - i don't know if it's >>>> related to this story, but there was a story circulating on the tech >>>> podcasts a month or two ago about inspectors confiscating laptops with >>>> allegedly pirated music files on them. and, since the customs >>>> authorities (and, indeed, almost everyone) has no way to tell which >>>> files might be pirated and which not, they were confiscating laptops >>>> with *any* music on it. i don't know how true this is, but i would >>>> think twice before taking my laptop into or out of the US. >>>> >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to >the >>> concerns of such creatures as we." - Carl Sagan, from "Cosmos" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.looop.no >> > > > > -- > "The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the > concerns of such creatures as we." - Carl Sagan, from "Cosmos" > -- Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net