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It is important in these discussions to make a distinction between the significant majority of people, of all stripes, who are decent and caring, and those in the worlds of politics, media, and business who purport to speak for them, at least AT them. I would agree with assessments of the political right, many fundamentalists with whom the political right has been aligned for a long time now, and the big businesses that have benefitted from the extremely pro-business climate these folks have put in place. I would ALSO agree with Jeff that there are plenty of Southern Baptist churchgoers who are compassionate. There are also a lot of just plain uninformed voters across the whole spectrum, people whose beliefs are informed by little more than screaming talking heads and manipulators, and who develop biases and maybe hatreds as a consequence. The sad thing is that so many middle and lower class Americans have been bamboozled into thinking the right wing is their best hope (Sarah P hit all their talking points again last night... they DO stay on message, don't they?). I don't pretend to speak for Bill Walker, but I'm pretty sure he'll say, "Yes, I'm referring to the right wing power brokers and fearmongers, not the folks in the pews, on tractors, or mothering their hockey kids." It is neither useful to tar all the individuals of one sort with a big brush, nor to ignore the general drift of our society towards materialism, endorsement of terrorism, transfer of power to the executive branch... I'll stop there. Others have spoken here about all of this. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint > The "right'" seem to be very discompassionate (see: Katrina) > and self centered. Oh yeah, there was not a single Southern Baptist church in Texas that was willing to provide shelter for Katrina refugees. Oh wait, actually there were quite a few. That seems rather compassionate. They must have been taking some time off between rounds of genital mutilations. Jeff