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On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote: > My favorite plug in developers just released this new device. It appears >to > be a mix of Tenori, Kaoss and the slicer pedal. For $49!! > > http://www.audiodamage.com/effects/product.php?pid=AD020 Thank you for hinting! I just watched the videos on Automaton and found lots of my favorite routings and treatments implemented into this plug-in. Brilliant! Got to get it! Some years ago, when I started using Mobius for looping, I was looking for plug-ins that include the routings, that you would otherwise have to set up in the host application (this was before I discovered how easy you can route signals in Bidule) and found two awesome plug-ins from AudioDamage: Ronin and Discord 2. I've been using those two plug-ins for years now and really love them. Unfortunately Ronin is now discontinued, which means there will never be a Mac version, but all other plug-ins form AudioDamage comes in both versions and you are free to use whatever OS you need. However... I think I would like the SoundToy's Native Suite just a little bit better (but will probably use them together with Automaton in the future). These plugins offer the only two functionalites I missed in the AudioDamage stuff (according to those I already own and from watching Chris Randalls demo videos): the option to groove quantize positions (as in having a multi tap delay stutter with a musical swing feel) and to affect effect parameters directly with the level of your live audio input. I've played with that kind of "envelope-follow" patches in the Eclipse, the FireworX and some home cooked Bidule patches and I think this adds an enormous amount of expressive power to whatever acoustic or electric instrument you are playing! One quick example would be a delay where the slap-backsreturn through a filter whose cutoff parameter is following a beat synced LFO and the tempo division of this LFO is picking its values from the live input audio level. So if you use a guitar you might make a patch that slows down the "chopper sound" as the strings ring out. Or if singing or playing air/reed instruments you can directly control the tempo of the tremolo by how hard you blow. I have made several very cool patches for the EWI, that draws on this, but it's more fun to use it with real acoustic mic input instruments. Here's the links: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/articles/nativefx.htm http://www.soundtoys.com/ I'm not in an immediate need for the SoundToy plug-ins (a bit pricey), but as soon as a good AU loper becomes available these plug-ins will go with it into my fav hosts Numerology and MainStage. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com