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I find this thread highly interesting, at least the posts I've read so far - as it is spread out over a bunch of different subject lines (as usual on this wonderful list ;-) I agree with Mark Francombe that it feels fresh with the "rip-off scene" - or open source movement, if you like - and I too think that it will probably lead to something better. The uncreative copyright stronghold has indeed bothered me for years now and I have been reading the books on the topic put out by Lawrence Lessig and others. I noticed it first in the music industry back in the late nineties when the labels started firing people - even the good A&R folks that has always been there to guarantee good talent being developed for the future - and instead putting their shrinking resources into paying lawyers to check if other companies are using their copyrighted material. So instead searching for the good music of tomorrow, the biz sort of slid off into a frenzy where every player cared most about finding ways to sue everyone else. What Lessig points out, is that all major inventions throughout history have happened because someone took someone else's product and made it better - so much better in fact that it became a new product. The modern tendency to (over) protect copyright doesn't leave much room for this classic way of product development. Regarding software, I don't think it is always a good thing that good software is shared for free. I don't care much about software but I care a lot about what I can achieve by using particular software as my tool. I'm happy that some developers put a rather high price tag on their product, because this guarantees that they will continue supporting this product, meaning that I can use it for long time and get good at it. I have prepared myself for the future by getting an iLok USB dongle, so I can move my software licenses into that system, as more developers start to support it. I only have one license on it today, but it works perfectly! No problems using different computers, just downloading the installer and using your personal iLok to authorize your license. What you are paying for is not the software but the skill and creative thinking among those who put it together in the first place. There's no way "anyone with C++ on a lappie" can create audio plug-ins as the SoundToys stuff! It's not about programming, it's about understanding sound and music. If that would be as easy as hacking C++, why are there so little really good music software out there? I disagree with Luis who said that Mobius is an example of quick development. From what I've seen it's actually precisely the opposite; the development pace of Mobius has followed its developers involvement in other projects by a negative curve. (totally ok for a freebie ;-) On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote: > I think there's a case (that has been made to me explicitly, actually) > that even a free product like Mobius hurts the income of the EDP or > other developers, but they didn't invent the concept either, just > digitized it and refined it I don't agree with this either. As an owner and frequent user of both the EDP and Mobius I find them very different. I moved from the EDP into using Mobius because I needed the scripting and the full half tone based varispeed, which isn't part of the EDP concept. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com