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[andy] > afaik no-one's claiming ownership of concepts. > ( ..or even of manuals ;-) Yes. I'm sorry if my comments look like they are directed at the EDP team. I have had private conversations with some of them and AFAIK we'll manage to peacefully coexist. Even if it means I have to write a damn manual :-) I am really just trying to make a case to the full list membership that may have misconceptions about what Mobius is. The IP mess is something I have to deal with every day in my job, it is something I'm passionate about, so I can sound harsh when something gets me going. Sorry. > Would be nice if it was made clear that nobody ever actually > managed to fully emulate the EDP, it also has the uniqueness > that all of us value and it might be useful to acknowledge that. Absolutely. Jeff