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To be honest, I hope we won't get off into US politics on this list. Granted, I'm still a nube here and don't know (in the online sense) many of you well, but there are three other forums I spend time on that have all dipped the rules to allow a political thread. The result is very little new information, but a ton of rehearsed talking points repeated yet again, and everyone's partisanship becomes a source of characterization. And yes, I've been posting like hell in all three of them, though I try to present things that are not part of the normal media/news/points diet. I hope we don't start it on LD, too, or I'll be doing the same thing here. In regard to Dean's decapitation from the top of the list via the endless, constant and excessive repetition of his exclamation, my opinion is the media followed the instructions of their GOP-driven parent corporations. Nothing else that year got that much coverage. I never saw what was so bad about it, either. Damn, I've already started.... dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > Aren't you supposed to discuss this petty party politics polarity > ... elsewhere? Well, it's at least marked OT which is considered good form on this list that frequently departs from looping topics. (Anyone remember underwater latency?) As far as "petty party politics polarity" goes...first of all well done on the alliteration! I may have to use that :-) I know this is unusually political of me, but we're about to elect a president in the US, and frankly I think that deserves more rational thought than I see evidence of in the media and the blogs. So if petty party politics polarity comes up in a forum (damn, I like the way that sounds!), I think it is my duty to challenge it. Sorry if this distracts anyone. Jeff