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Thanks for the post and the heads up, Dave, Man, oh man, I didn't realize the Earl Palmer had passed away. That makes me so sad. I got to meet him and talk to him in New Orleans for the PASIC there, years ago. He was a great guy and an inspiration to me. When did he die and how old was he? He started it all, man!!! I studied with Dr. John's drummer, Ricky Sebastion and have been a huge fan of Nahlins 2nd line music and other southern and early blues/rock/r&b/funk traditions all of my life. I once had a fantastic 2 hour drunken conversation/sharing of notes at one of the PASICs with Galactic's youngish New Orleans drummer, Stanton Moore, who is considered an expert in New Orleans drumming history and the origin of the drumset. I learned several things from him and I taught him a couple of things he didn't know himself. I was blessed to be at the New Orleans PASIC when there was a three hour lecture on the history of New Orleans drums by Earl, Herman Riley and Johnny Vidocovich. I heard things in those oral speeches that I had never read in the several histories of New Orleans music and the history of the drum set that I had read. So much of that history is still orally passed on. I have yet to read a book that is comprehensive on that history, but of one thing is certain............Earl Palmer can be credited with the introduction of the loud backbeat on snare in modern music....................may this legendary innovator long be remembered (though I think, regrettably that he may not be.) At that clinic he talked about how he tried to reconcile the swung feel of the upright bass player and the 16th notes played (Jerry Lee Lewis styled) on the piano by playing a groove that was exactly in the middle between the triplet and the straight feel. He said that if he played perfect 67% swing (as in jazz and shuffles) that the music sounded horrible. I sounded equally as bad if he played straight at 50% with his 8ths notes. By playing somewhere in the middle (probably between 56% and 58% swing on those early tracks) that it all grooved. He called it the 'wiggly area'. He said that after their incredible successes with Fats Domino and Little Richard at Cosimos Studio in New Orleans that people would rent the studio out to just to get some of that gold record juju. He said the black musicians who came in were convinced that they had played regular shuffles (67% swing) and the white musicians who came in were convinced that they had played 50% or straight 8ths................He said they sat back and laughed that nobody could figure out what he had actually done. If you go back and listen to those early records, there is a stunningly sophisticated and complex polyrhythmic feel that can either be heard as straight or swung. I spent a couple of years playing every single percentage of swing using a drum machine as a template so taht I could play comfortably with even such a small amount of swing that most musicians would hear it as being straight. There's a lot of mojo in those grooves that aren't perfect. If you want to hear someone nail that shit to the wall, reference the drumming of Lean Mean WIllie Green with the Neville Brothers. He has so many subtle variations on the swung feel and with the 2nd line simulations provided by all the members of the Neville Brothers playing 2nd line rhythms, freely on different cowbells that is a murderously funky (and unusual rhythm section). For anyone interested and I can highly recommend this set for non-drummers as well as drummers, you can refer to the three DVD set of the History of New Orleans drumming by the Drummers Collective. It's fascinating stuff but I wish they had produced a video of that amazing PASIC clinic. Long Live Earl Palmer!!!!!! Joko mo fee na ney! --