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Are you guys using EDP foot controllers or midi? I have no experience with midi, so ignore this advice if that's your method. On the EDP controller, I sometimes get the same result; the loop will keep playing, but I can't overdub and cycle numbers appear with each additional push of Overdub. When this happens, I do one of two things: 1} finish playing the piece that is using the loop, end by hitting Record, then hit Undo. Normally, this will return to regular operation, but not every time. If it fails, then 2) reboot the EDP. This will restore it to normal record/overdub operation in my experience. I have not used the function that gives C-1 etc, but it seems to be counting cycles when in this mode. Hopefully someone on the list with more experience with deeper EDP ops can chime in here. If you are using the foot controller, I heartily recommend BEFORE YOU POWER UP THE EDP, manually tap all the buttons ten or twenty times. I have had much fewer problems with incorrect response to commands since I started doing this. DO NOT DO IT WHILE THE EDP IS POWERED UP, OR YOU WILL RESET YOUR VALUES AND PARAMETERS IN A WAY THAT WILL REQUIRE A FAIRLY LENGTHY REPROGRAMMING ON THE GIG. Voice of experience... dave That's been happening to me lately, too, and I am not sure what I'm doing to enter that state nor how to get out of it! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com