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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote: > So again we find that > much of what we consider to be strictly a Christian phenomenon... is >again, based in Pagan reality Thank you for that highly instresting story! Around here I see an increased interest in the original Swedish/Nordic culture that was almost wiped out by the Christian "movement", beginning in 829 (first Christ rep Ansgar showed up here then, from France, and started out spreading the ideas among slaves) . It's fun to find out how smart those early Christians were, they simply changed the names on many of the local traditions in order to let people get on with their normal life and crating the impression to outside onlookers and later generations that the culture was fully "christened". The Santa Claus character is to be found here in the original culture (pre chistianity) as a sort of "forest gnome". Still in the ninetieth century some people at non urban areas believed that you have to put out a plate of porridge on the outer doorstep to feed the "forest gnome" before going to bed at x-mas night. If remembering to do so, nothing would happen and life would go on as usual - but if you forgot to put out his stuff this little guy might get annoyed and cast a bad spell at your animals, resulting in that you may be stroke with a dead cow or pig when waking up the next morning. Actually, people believed that these gnomes were friends with the animals and helped the farmers to look after them every day and night - no only at Christmas time. So they were actually regarded as "friends" if treated properly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550