Re: OT Egberto Gismonti

[Marc Marshall <agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com>]

okay, I am not a guitar builder but I know enough about bass and sound to be dangerous!! LOL  In particular bass in acoustic guitars can be very hard to reproduce cleanly especially if you like altered tunings and their capacity for low end bass resonance with clashing notes, which is just one of the reasons why many manufacturers are making the older style parlor guitars and other smaller sizes again.  Many players are using them because the bass is much cleaner and tighter than in say a typical dreadnought. Less fundamental to the sound? maybe, of course walking around a room or moving a mike has a HUGE effect on the sound of acoustics. Egberto, using 8 and 10 string guitars and various tunings knows all about what happens when you start adding the beautiful dissonances of unusual notes being played together. And with his longevity of playing and probable reasonable funding, I am sure he knows EXACTLY what he wants in a guitar and he can buy/play any guitar he wants.

 

or maybe not, what the hell do I know, I vote for the Green Party every time!!  LOL

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--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> wrote:

From: Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br>
Subject: Re: OT Egberto Gismonti
To: "Loop List" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:12 PM

On 27 Dec 2008, at 23:04, Marc Marshall wrote:
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> wow, never heard of criticism of low pitched strings sounded bad.

oh, ask anyone who builds instruments. there is a fundamental resonance which depends on the instrument size and below that, the box does not amplify the string any more (load speakers have a similar problem)
so if you tune the string below that resonance, its fundamental almost disappears.

> hey man to each his own!!

sure, I am not saying its not possible to make music without the fundamentals :-)

> I would argue that just because YOU may not like his sound does not mean
> that HE doesn't care about sound.

thats also true. thats why I said "I feel..." :-)
and its not just due to the guitar, but also the way he used synth...

and he is not the only one, lots of excellent musicians think of sound as a minor factor, or even love lofi
every musician sets different priorities and has different talents with:
rhythm
melody
harmony
phrasing
sound
public relation
visual
,,,
and I am clearly a sound and phrasing guy

I even criticize some famous classical cello sonatas because the virtuoso composition does not leave time for the single notes to develop :-)

> You are of course free to not like it.
> I dare to say you would never stand to listen to Sonic Youth or Glen Branca or the whole guitar tuned to just one note thing.

sorry, I never tried to listen to those artists... when my internet is back, I will try!
Matthias

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> thanks for being candid and allowing me the same, sir!!   :-)
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> --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> wrote:
> BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br>
> Subject: OT Egberto Gismonti
> To: "Loop List" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 8:53 PM
>
> yes, I visited him once in Rio
> and saw several shows
> he also plays piano marvelously
> and he has an interesting experience with indios
> but he is a bit isolated...
> and the thing with the very low pitched guitar strings does not sound good to my ears
> in general I feel he creates fantastic music but does not care much about sound
>
> listen also to his friend Carioca http://www.myspace.com/ronaldofreitas  !
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> On 27 Dec 2008, at 17:51, Marc Marshall wrote:
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>> Speaking of slow acoustic guitar players, anybody hip to Egberto Gismonti?
>> he can really play slow and beautiful and then blaze away as well
>> he played an 8 string guitar in 1975!!
>>
>> HIs early ECM stuff is wonderful      Dancas das Cabasas (or something like that!) LOL   is a good place to start.
>>
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>> --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Jeff D <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Jeff D <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Fahey
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 3:41 PM
>>
>> This looks cool, I can hardly wait!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_McoM_aflyg
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>> j