RE: feedback buster for nylon string

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Thanx for the info Bill,i find it amazing that there arent really many 
professional dual stereo pickup systems for the new two hand tap acoustic 
guitarrists,this isnt new it has been growing since Michael Hedges 
invented it,it must be that the market isnt big enough yet.B-band put out 
a system a few years ago and now it has been discontinued,systems like the 
trance audio are top class but not very practical for live purposes,if u 
lose that cable good luck,or if you want to use other guitars thorugh your 
pedalboard good luck trying to route it through their preamp grr!
I havent found any guitar with this internal microphone system that sound 
good with it,most people end up not using it at all,i wanted it to drum on 
my flamenco and it works as long as i have the mic signal at about 10% of 
it and stuffing the soundhole.So you say its possible to change the capsel 
for better sound results as well?
Happy new 2009!


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 1/1/09, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

> From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> Subject: RE: feedback buster for nylon string
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:47 AM
> Great Trick Krispen, I'll have to try that sometime on
> my flamenco guitar..
> Unfortunately for you Luis, The mics goose neck might get
> in the way of that
> technique as would a feedback buster. You might inquire at
> this site, they
> are based in San Francisco and are all about classical
> guitars.
> http://www.gspguitar.com/jsp2/customerService.jsp?pg=main ,
> I've looked for
> a long time for a classical hole sized feedback buster, and
> I'm not sure any
> one makes one. I assume your controls are on the outside. 
> My feeling about
> internal mics, is the less used the better :)  The thing
> is, you are using a
> tiny inexpensive microphone capsule that is getting much
> less current (9
> volts) than a typical studio condenser mic (18-48 volts
> typically), it is
> also placed inside the sound hole facing the back of the
> guitar which in
> itself is going to give a boxy "old time radio
> broadcast" sound character,
> and be more feedback prone. To design a microphone of this
> type, they have
> to design certain frequency response out of the mic to make
> it less feedback
> prone, as well, making the sound more low fi, and further
> away from the
> optimal mic sound, and  placement in a controlled studio
> environment. I ran
> in to this problem with the Duncan Mag mic Pickup that I
> use in my Hawaiian
> lap guitar. I can only use a little mic to add a bit of
> body, otherwise the
> guitar will start to feedback, and will be come overly
> noisy to handle. Now
> if I was Lawrence Juber, and had the $700 dollar custom mic
> cabsule
> installed in my MagMic like he does, perhaps I'd use it
> more.
>  The other issue is monitoring, if you are using
> conventional monitors I
> would definitely place them on stands, as any time I use my
> flamenco or
> steel string with monitors placed on the ground in a
> conventional way, I
> have problems with bass standing waves, and coupling
> feedback. I have been
> recently demoing the new Fishman tower linear speaker
> design that is lighter
> weight and almost a third the price of the Bose system.
> Yesterday I was
> playing a Guild cutaway nylon string with a simple fishman
> matrix pickup.
> This is a solid wood guitar made in China, and I sat right
> in front of the
> speakers as I played and we turned it up enough to fill the
> store, but we
> were up perhaps half way. NO feedback issues at all. Now I
> couldn't
> guarantee that for you if you were using an internal mic,
> and I'm pretty
> certain the fishman lacks any of the Bose search and
> destroy feedback
> technology, But the linear array design is remarkable for
> not producing as
> much midrange and low end howling. I will do some tests
> with a Martin that
> has a prefix premium system and let you know how it fairs.
> Otherwise a
> little goes along way with internal mics. Just a bit will
> give the guitar
> more body and potential for beat box tones on different
> surfaces, without
> increasing handling noise too much.
> Happy New Year one and all
> Bill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:38 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: feedback buster for nylon string
> 
> The best method I have ever used, is to buy a black
> balloon, and blow it up 
> inside the sound hole (not too tight, just enough to seal
> off the sound 
> hole).  Tie it off and turn it around so that you don't
> see the end. It is 
> amazing, and costs about 3 cents. :)   I learned it from an
> old jazzer years
> 
> ago.
> 
> Kris
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
> > Hi Loopers,
> > Is there a feedback reducer for nylon strings like the
> feedback buster 
> > that covers the soundhole for steel string guitars? my
> recently acquired 
> > flamenco guitar has the fishman Prefix Premium Blend
> with the internal mic
> 
> > and is very sensitive to feedback,so far i havent
> found anything that fits
> 
> > the soundhole of a nylon string.However the feedback
> buster solved all 
> > problems on my steel string,great and simple gadget!
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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