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thanks Andy...! I won't add anything else, but...yeah. One of my favorite traditional pipa pieces, a millenia or two old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZmAgFyVo48 Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Before Western influence, and still surviving in some places Asian > music incorporates innovation in a natural way. There's > no need to react against a tradition that isn't hidebound. > > For most of the innovations of the West, I think it's possible to > find examples of Asian music that did it first, and did it better. > Ambient, Minimalism, pure sound, rhythmic complication, microtones, > drone, and just plain "that's not music". > > ..and plenty of Asian music that Western theory just doesn't understand.