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I use Mobius on a macbook as stand alone with no plugins. On the floor i have the following: Boss OC3,Pog,Eventide Timefactor,Digitech,Vocalist 4 through a mic i use one instrument,mostly acoustic guitar plus my voice. I used to loop using the EDP with more loops set to 4 for recording different parts and arranging switching between them.With mobius i use tracks mostly now and arrange by muting them manipulating them separately with rate shift,bouncing etc. Ive also been experimenting by slaving an Adrenalinn III to it and i am back playing my electric guitar. Soemtimes i save the loops but mostly i dont, though perhaps i shouldnt rely on my perception on whats good and what isnt and just savem them always. I am thinking of puting out a CD with some of this ideas without doing any post production and just as they are. usually after a looping gig i go about a week without turning on the laptop and doing any looping and just play my acoustic guitar. cheers Luis