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>How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if >you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? The RC20XL will store 16 minutes of phrases. It does reverse easily. 1/2 speed is possible but sort of weird and not accurate. You have to store the phrase, then change the tempo with the tap button. Which gives way beyond 1/2 speed, but you have to be damn good with the tap tempo. It's not a delay though, so no # of repeats. It's a phrase sampler/looper. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:36 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: blech (pedal choices) So, I'm idly looking into expanding my looping setup, since I'm starting to feel the limits of the looper in my Line 6 DL-4. (Mostly that 15 seconds at normal speed is too short.) So I just spent an hour looking at what else is out there and I'm feeling a bit discouraged. What I'm looking for in a looper: --Simple & easy to use. --at least 30 seconds of looping time --Lets me pick start and end points while recording. (Will not try to autocorrect my timing, or make me choose loop length before I start.) --Reverse function --Half Speed function (or even better - a speed dial!) --Lets me choose # of repeats when not infinite. --Will not drive up the cost of the pedal with stuff I'll never use. --smaller than a hardcover book As far as I can tell, this does not exist. The closest I find is a DL-4, which is very easy to use, but as I mentioned, the looping time is short and I can't control the # of repeats. It's also heavy enough that I don't want to walk around with 2 of them. I'm pretty disappointed in the concept of the Line 6 JM-4. It costs more and doesn't appear to offer more of the stuff I want. Instead it offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which frankly I find insulting. Has anyone used one of these? If you don't store loops, how long can a live loop be? Can you get rid of all the dumb preset tracks? Is it otherwise as simple as the DL-4? How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? Not looking for rack mounts, software or large pedal boards. I have to fit all my gear in a rolling suitcase on public transit. Shruggingly, Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com