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I think lack lustre is a bit much. If you take the time to tweak Ableton's effects, they can be really nice. Especially the reverbs. But yeah, a matter of taste either way. Ricky This message was sent from a PDA. Not an iPhone. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro <zerocrossing@gmail.com> Sent: 26 June 2009 01:43 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to go all Software with guitar multieffector and looper Oh, I see. Yes, I agree to that. I rarely use any of Live's effects except for the new Looper from time to time. Lack luster. Though, thinking about it, the new Vocoder seemed good to me as well, though nothing comes close to Eiosis's ELS Vocoder. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Per Boysen<perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Mark Sottilaro<zerocrossing@gmail.com> >wrote: >> I'd like to hear examples of the exact same set up (source >> material, vst) rendered out as audio that sound different from >> different hosts. I've just never noticed it at all. > > Mark, > > I wasn't talking about A/B testing playback of the same sound file in > different applications. I was talking about setting up typical effect > processing routings that to some part include the host application's > build-in plug-ins. Both Live (8.0.4 is my version) and Mainstage/Logic > has several built-in audio effect plug-ins and I just happen to like > the sound of on a lot better then the sound of the other. It's a > matter of taste ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > >