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Bingo! Andy makes a good point, if you used just one amp simulator, say something like a sans amp, and you place it before the M-13 or some where near the start of the chain using the M-13's effects loop. You could achieve the missing link you are looking for without sacrificing the beloved stereo imaging of the effects. I haven't checked my computer in a week which is why I'm coming to this conversation so late. I've been in West Virginia, of all places, visiting relatives of relatives. I brought my 22' scale lap steel and borrowed Rick's Vox DA-5 and took a line 6 dl-4 to keep myself amused. Actually, if you think about it, A DA-5 could make a pretty cool first stage as it has a line/phone out that you could feed the M-13 in either mono or stereo. If you don't have an issue with the "feel" of modeling amps, I'd give either solution a try. Bill tEd R KiLLiAn wrote: > Yeah, it's really too bad that there's no also a single-device solution > for a stereo amp simulator to go along with this device. > Well, I obviuosly you know best what you need to achieve...but... Rather than put two amp sims after the fx, surely it would be neater to put one amp sim between guitar and fx. That gives you more options for combining sounds, and doesn't mush up the layers together. andy