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hi Margaret, I've used hardware to do a similar thing (delayed pitch-shift). Here are the 2 recipes that work relatively safely within a key. 1. Normal Pitch and then (usually 2 beats later) 2. 5 steps up OR 1. Normal Pitch and then 2. 7 steps up With those, with every Mode there's only one note that goes out of scale (for better of worse). Those are much simpler than your patterns, but by playing through them for a while I came across a number of nice effects. Any more complex arrangement is always going to tend to dissonance pretty quickly. The immediate reaction on playing through them is of interest, but the output becomes more rigidly defined by the pattern, and less manipulable by the player. I'd guess that my patterns are just too simple for what you want to achieve. If you want to expand the theory, then how about? "As the patterns get more complex, the result has less variety." best regards andy butler margaret noble wrote: > Hello List, > > I am having a blast with Delay/Arpeggiators in Logic. I love getting > accidental melodies/harmonies from playing with the steps. So for >example: > > I have an arpeggiator/delay that takes whatever sound comes in and plays > it at: > > 1. Normal Pitch > 2. 4 semi-steps up > 3. 7 semi-steps up > > and then > > 4. 11 semi-steps up >