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At 11:47 AM -0700 8/3/09, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >For triggering everything else I find an actual midi keyboard to be >worlds better. Almost as if it were designed for it from the start. >;) Equal and opposite viewpoint here: I go back & forth between praising and demonizing good old Bob Moog for attaching a keyboard to his famous synthesizers. I want to praise him because attaching something people were familiar with to this alien noise machine arguably did more to popularize it than any other innovation. I want to beat him, though, because that's inadvertently stuck us with the dominant playing paradigm of "synthesizer = organ" for almost a half-century now. I still wonder what this world would be like if someone like Buchla -- with his wonderful whacked-out interfaces -- had become the dominant force in the field back in its formative years of the 60's-70's, rather than Moog. Anyway, I've been playing keyboards and synthesizers for over 30 years. And for the past decade I've tried my hardest to use almost any controller *except* a keyboard for user input. Frankly, for most sounds, I HATE using a keyboard and find it the least expressive interface out there for most of my purposes (with the caveat that traditional keyboard instruments -- like piano -- are usually better played with a keyboard). I've had guitar- and wind-controllers since the '80s. And in terms of expressiveness, I really prefer both of them over traditional keyboard-controllers. There's an organic quality that's a lot more difficult to get if you're dealing with an interface that's not much more than a glorified set of buttons. I've got many, many synths that take on a completely different (and interesting!) character merely because I've switched to using a different type of control interface. Occasionally I'll use a keyboard for something relatively simple/sterile like a 303-style bass line or, for convenience's sake, to quickly audition sounds, but little else. At 7:48 PM +0200 8/3/09, Christo Jota wrote: > >But even with that you have to concentrate a lot on playing very accurate. >Otherwise you hear wrong notes very soon. >This was the same when I still used the Roland GR 33 guitar >synthesizer with an external Midi pick up. Those permanent wrong >notes inbetween drove me crazy and made me selling the gear. It kept >me from having fun playing guitar. I completely agree, however, with the frustration over the typical Roland-style "pitch-to-glitch" MIDI tracking. I'm using this now merely as a matter of convenience (most of my gear is in storage, waiting for us to save enough cash to bring it over). But I've never been so impressed with that architecture and, for monophonic lines, will often now just use my WX-11 wind-controller instead. My continuing weapon-of-choice for guitar-controllers is still the Yamaha G-10/G-10C setup. I've had one since about '89 and still swear by it. Best points: Nearly flawless tracking. I've rarely been able to get it to glitch due to playing style. Admittedly, I'm not the world's fastest guitarist by any means. So I've had it test-driven by friends who are traditional 'shredders' and they couldn't get it to glitch either. There's a reason they call this the 'poor man's Synthaxe'. It's also more configurable (tunings, splits, curves, etc.) than most other MIDI controllers. Once the G10 and the synth module are properly set up together (it takes a little work to get a combination to gel) it becomes much more like playing a single organic instrument than a MIDI synth. Worst points: It's a MIDI controller, not a true guitar. While it uses real guitar strings, all six are the same .016 ("G") gauge and are all tuned to the same note. This takes a little while to get used to, and it has a tendency to freak out some traditional guitar folk. The feel is different (because all the strings are the same) so novices often get lost on the fretboard. And you *have* to listen through the MIDI module output; listening to the strings themselves sounds like a jangly mess. It took me about a week to get used to it, but many guitarists don't give it that much chance. Also, it looks like a damn boat oar, or a laser rifle, so the "I look cool wearing this" factor goes right out the window. On a more practical note, the controller module is heavy as hell. Get ready to pay some overweight baggage fees if you're flying. The biggest downside for me, though, is that the Yamaha's getting to be "vintage" equipment, so I have to spend nearly as much time maintaining it as playing. That's another reason why I dedicate more time these days to VG synthesis than true MIDI guitar. --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams"