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i've been playing around this past night with logic's mainstage 2 onboard looper and found it quite illogical :-) ... lots of unuseful hidden parameters, no feedback, you can just mimic that with the fade out function, up to 20 sec. to reach silence. no multiply. no half/double speed. it does reverse though. how the hell do you change loop length once stablished? unloading the plugin? ... it's not what i'd call, a decent looper. back to mobius, which it's more fun! -- Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com