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Mention of the Line 6 M13 below caught my eye: I've just bought one and am really enjoying working with it. It seems well constructed and (at least for me on electric violin rather than guitar) a lot of the built in effects work really well and are fairly customisable. It didn't take long to get the hang of it either! The looper functions weren't my main reason for buying it, but they seem to work well: It means I can use it "standalone" if I'm doing a short presentation or school workshop demo with loops, but I've also been trying it out alongside my normally Mac/Logic/Sooperlooper setup. When I do this it gets quite interesting as I can easily setup independent loops. or add a loop, or part of a loop from the M13 to Sooperlooper. Fun! Probably old hat (-; but I'm enjoying the possibilities. Steve www.stevebingham.co.uk On 2 Sep 2009, at 19:44, Mark Hamburg wrote: > So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small > market. > > What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the > Line6 M13 with something like the Looperlative built in. > > Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and > the Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But > the controller choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or > severely crippled (Ground Control Pro, I'm looking at you). > > Mark > > On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people >> weren't aware of its existence. >> >> http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml >> >> Jeff >> >> >