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Wow, thank you Mr. Boysen so much for the extensive email. It is incredibly informative. I have done 3-4 performances already and have only used Ableton without an extra loop plug in. I just routed the many tracks into one where I placed some effects, and then toggled the different tracks on or off...w/ the mapped out keyboard, or with the mouse... it was a bit cumbersome. I would set the length for my MIDI loops which I would record live, but for the Audio tracks, I couldn't figure how to do that. So I just let my own intuition decided when the loop was over. It seemed to work very well. It had a bit of a ethereal and random effect. The more I get aware of the different techniques the better. I am using Ableton 6 so I might be forced try the Mobius plugin. I really want to start switching from different loops, to provide for some variation. @Florian and @Warren The link I sent was just audio. I also have a video of one performance I did. Unfortunately the camera is shaking because my daughter decided to get creative while filming...There is also another video... Here is the link: http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/18737 I hope it works. Thanks for listening best wishes nadia Per Boysen schrieb: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de > <mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de>> wrote: > > I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a > means of realtime composition. And am interested learning about > all this technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which > still gives me a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very > intuitively live looping seems to be the best way to still keep > accessing the full potential of the moment and still orchestrate > many instruments. > > > > Hi, > > And welcome to this list! :-) > > Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the Live plugin Looper > (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first choice in live looping > technique: Do you want to set the tempo for Live by starting with > creating a loop with your mic/instrument input? Or do you want to > first start Live and listen for the tempo to play in before starting > to layer audio in the Looper plugin? These are two very different > approaches. Personally I only use the first one - where you create the > first loop and set the tempo for all electronics based on your playing > - and I can't really say much about the other method except that it > works more like usual multi track recording. You have to make a > setting in Live's Looper plugin in order to extract the tempo and set > it for the application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick > the Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you control > its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be fed back into the > loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks like overdubbing one rhythm > with voice/instrument while pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback > pedal foot to change the background layers. This very simply setup can > be taken quite far in musical terms. > > Second step in looping technique could be to use two parallel loops. > This can be done by opening a second Looper plugin on a second track. > If you did set the first one to pick up the tempo for Live you should > set this second looper to slave to this, Live's, tempo. > > As the third step I'd like to see the technique of layering a long > recording over the span of a couple of loop repeats. This action is > called "Multiply" and is not supported by the plugin Looper in Live. > My favorite looper plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create > your first loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and > play/sing a line that evolves while your old loop is being repeated in > the background. The Multiply action keeps layering your input input > and making the loop longer until you chose Multiply a second time. > > A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's Looper doesn't > support that, but with Mobius you give a command named "Next Loop" > what happens then is that the recent loop stops playing and a new one > is starting to be created by your audio input. But maybe you want to > do this jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you > can always hear what you recorded in the first loop? A typical > performance scenario could then be: > > 1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop. > 2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop. > 3. Select a new track and create a new loop in parallel with more > tonal material. This could be "intro" or "verse". > 4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and create "verse 2" > (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard constantly) > > I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping technique". The > rest is up to you and depends on what music you want to create. You > have to think about what parts of the music that will be repeated in > shorter loops and crate those parts early before multiplying. You may > also want to make loops of different lengths to create rhythmic > variation as they glide in and out of beat matching, overdubbing one > layer in reverse mode or substituting short slices of the loop with > new input. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se> > www.perboysen.com <http://www.perboysen.com> > > > -- Nadia Salom http://www.nirmala07.net