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Are you implying that Tao has nothing to do with the concept of Zen? Or just books of the 20th century? "The Tao of Zen" by Ray Grigg was published in 1994, and argued that "much of Zen Buddhism was almost entirely grounded in Taoist philosophy, though this fact is well shrouded by the persistence of Mahayana Buddhist institutional trappings." So I suppose this is a quasi-religious argument that has gone on for as long as modern Buddhism has existed, and shall continue as long as people wish to argue about it. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: OT zen for beginners > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 4:08 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> ideal > > Only if you don't know what you're talking about. If so, then, sure. lol > > Jeff