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Re: programing liquid foot jr. midi footcontroller with EDP help!

hi Luis,
yep, the EDP will repond in the same way to CC with 127 and 0 data
values as it would to Note-On Note-Off.
Just set EDP param ControlSource = Ctr

You'll have to re-program everything to CC , but I think it'll
work.

The Liquid actually has a parameter to stop it responding "too fast".
That's why you miss some button presses.
"Button Delay", p67 in the manual should fix this.

Personally, I'd wanna check the latency on the buttons, latency
tends to creep up as features are added, sometimes no-one notices.
When I first got the Gordius it had a problem in this respect..
...Xavier fixed it pretty quickly.

You should ask that the firmware be updated to handle simple
Note-On/Note-Off,.....essential if you want to use it to 
play synth notes.

Sometimes hardware creators only imagine their devices
being used for certain tasks. You don't need Note-on
to control a guitar rig, so the feature perhaps never got tested.
That's why it's important for users to feedback about their
experiences.. a good manufacturer will take it very seriously.

Is there a "liquid Foot" forum? or a Yahoo Group? 
...there should be.

andy 




L.Angulo wrote:
> ok,so the EDP will accept CCs to tirgger the direct Sus comands,right?
> i did everything just using notes... i hope it does!
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Another option is to try CC commands instead.
>> The liquid certainly seems to have a "momentary"
>> option for those, designed to keep an effect switched
>> on while you hold the switch down.
>>
>> page 64 in the manual (and maybe some earlier pages)
>> tells how you can just program in a CC value (same as EDP
>> note number)
>> and have the switch send 127 on that CC on press, and 0 on
>> release.
>>
>> hope you get looping,soon
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> L.Angulo wrote:
>>>> But as i said its only working for the virtual
>> comands
>>>> and not the direct midi ones and is driving me
>> crazy!
>>>> huh, 62 General reset *is* a Direct Midi.
>>>> ..and that's a "voila"
>>> Hi Andy im still having problems with this and i dont
>> know if its me or the controller but i need to know
>> otherwise i think im going to return it.
>>> heres the deal,why is it that the behringer functions
>> perfectly and this one doesnt? on the behringer i just give
>> the note number regardless if its a virtual midi or direct
>> midi and it works!
>>> with the liquid foot only the virtual ones work but i
>> cannot get "general reset" (62) or any of the other ones to
>> work! ive tried everything,setting the switch
>> momentary,stomp tap tempo etc.
>>>> Is it possible that you mean other Direct Midi's
>> aren't
>>>> working?
>>>> If they were SUS commands then that makes sense,
>> and ties
>>>> in with
>>>> your observation that longpress on Record (to give
>> Reset)
>>>> isn't working. 
>>>   
>>> all im entering is the note number and the data value
>> of 127 and nothing else!
>>> But i have discovered something:
>>> when i reset the echoplex by holding and pressing the
>> record button ,then when i send the general reset comand
>> from the liquid foot it seems to triger it,but then when i
>> use the record button it doesnt work anymore!it also seems
>> to put the edp in a weird mode,that is when i try to reset
>> it by holding and pressing th record button it seems as if
>> it was locked and then i press it a second time and it
>> resets,any ideas? ive been even thinking of sending it to
>> you so you can check it out but i dont know if that would be
>> ok with you,plus you could do a comparison between the
>> gordius and this one;-)
>>> thanx for your always great help man i really
>> apreciate it!
>>>
>>>> My guess is that your controller is sending
>>>> Note-On/Note-Off pairs on
>>>> pressing the switch, not waiting for you to
>> release it
>>>> before sending the Note-Off.
>>>>
>>>> So, the Direct Midi SUS commands will not be
>> audible.
>>>> (e.g. SUS Reverse would reverse for such a small
>> time that
>>>> you wouldn't perceive it)
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> I had a look at the manual for your controller,
>> it
>>>> describes a number
>>>> of "button modes".
>>>> One of those is "Momentary while Holding"
>>>> ....that's what you want.
>>>> (or whatever causes the Note-Off to be sent as
>> you
>>>> *release* the switch)
>>> tried that but nothing either...
>>>> hope that helps
>>>>
>>>> andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>>>> schrieb am Mo, 23.11.2009:
>>>>>>>> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: programing liquid
>> foot jr.
>>>> midi
>>>>>> footcontroller with EDP help!
>>>>>>>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>>>> Datum: Montag, 23. November 2009,
>> 10:46
>>>>>>>> what Per said for the DirectMidi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They only require Note-On (except
>> for
>>>> SUS)
>>>>>>>> To get the longpress(to make reset
>> work)
>>>> I'd try
>>>>>> changing
>>>>>>>> the Button Mode to "Momentary
>> while
>>>> Holding".
>>>>>>>> I don't understand where you
>> entered
>>>> "64".
>>>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>>> L.Angulo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi gang,
>>>>>>>>> i just got the litte liquid
>> foot midi
>>>>>> controller and
>>>>>>>> im having a hard time controlling
>> the EDP
>>>> as i did
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> behringer.
>>>>>>>>> So far ive manage to program
>> the
>>>> virtual
>>>>>> functions
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> record
>>>>>>>>> overdub
>>>>>>>>> multiply
>>>>>>>>> mute
>>>>>>>>> undo
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> reverse
>>>>>>>>> half speed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the way i have to do this is
>> giving
>>>> the "note
>>>>>> on"
>>>>>>>> offset number and a value of 64
>> and it
>>>> works
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>> However when i try to program
>> any of
>>>> the e
>>>>>> DirectMidi
>>>>>>>> functions it does not respond at
>> all,do i
>>>> have to
>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> additional comands for them to
>> function? i
>>>> recall
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>> behringer fcb1010 i just gave the
>> note
>>>> number and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> worked.
>>>>>>>>> The otherr thing that is not
>> working
>>>> is
>>>>>> erasing the
>>>>>>>> loop by holding and pressing the
>> record
>>>> button.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway if u midi experts could
>> take a
>>>> little
>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>>> help me id be really thankfull!
>>>>>>>>> here is the liquid foot jr
>> manual:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.liquid-foot.com/downloads.shtml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanx
>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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