Re: Brian Eno about recorded music

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Just to pitch in again,
ive noticed that ever since i buy digital downloads i dont know the names 
of the band members or who plays what like i used to,or the sequence and 
name of the songs or the look or concept of the band since i usually dont 
look closely at the cover that my Ipod portrays,i have bad eyes so that 
makes it even more difficult...
It seems nowdays i have so much cramed in my ipod that i dont even have 
time to sort it out or even make playlists... most of the time i just turn 
it on and let it play and if i like something i do try to look for the 
information to know who that is.
The main advantage i see of all of this is comfort to make us lazy people 
buy easier really...and i wonder if part of the issue is really 
enviromental though...we are contaminating the world more than ever 
nowdays with all the technology available to have a cleaner world...hell 
nowdays you can get everything through the net,why leave the house have 
social contact and put up with people right? who needs that shit...;-)
but i wonder what would happen if an earthquake hit us and puts out all 
the lights and wipes out everything,bet we gonna be singing and making 
music like brothers together again;-)

cheers
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- tyler newman <tyler@batterycage.com> schrieb am Mi, 27.1.2010:

> Von: tyler newman <tyler@batterycage.com>
> Betreff: Re: Brian Eno about recorded music
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010, 23:59
> hi-
> 
> Part of my beef with the way things are currently,  is
> exactly that we can live in micro niche's musically
> because of the ways that Amazon, Ebay,
> Pandor and other entities keep recommending things that are
> like what we have liked in the past.  I'm all
> for resonance, but:
> 
> I remember when underground FM radio first started in the
> hippy days in Northern California that you could
> listen to a DJ play Odetta,  the Doors,
>   Joni Mitchell
> andthen
> Ravi Shankar on the same program.  There was a
> sense that you could discover new worlds, musically at
> that time.
> 
> well, i totally understand what
> you're saying here. it's important to not let the
> recommendation algorithms be the ONLY source of musical
> suggestion. there's still no substitute for doing your
> own legwork, and digging up new sounds on your own.
> personally, i listen to a very wide range of musical styles,
> so the algorithms keep things fairly diverse for me...but if
> i went solely on their suggestions, i would indeed drive
> myself into a corner fairly quickly. it's all about the
> input that you feed it.
> to be honest, i'm not old enough to remember
> broadcast radio as anything but corporate hits (i kind of
> came of age with radio in the 80's, and my parents had
> pretty mainsteam taste). and "kids today" are even
> less so. the vast majority of broadcast radio stations are
> playing the same songs, at the same times, in all markets.
> there's no diversity whatsoever, it exists solely on the
> internet. i would LOVE it if broadcast radio could be the
> wildly diverse spectrum of music that pandora can be. but we
> all know that's just not going to happen. playlists that
> include sigur ros, britney spears, cannibal corpse, arto
> lindsey, front 242, and shostakovich within one hour may
> work in MY house, but there's no commercial upside for
> that in reality :)  so for most people, whether we like
> it or not, the internet IS that new frontier...it's up
> to the listeners drive to explore that defines their
> experience.
> Lately,
>  I find that the kids that I teach know only specific
> genres of music and frequently , aren't interested
> in other kinds of music at all.  
> This makes for some shredding speed metal and punk
> drummers, I'll have to admit, but there seems to be
> a mono fixated quality to their listening and playing
> habits.
> 
> in a lot of ways, it's the
> dividing line between people who truly appreciate music, and
> passive listeners. passive listeners are people who listen
> to broadcast radio, and generally are responsible for
> driving the success of the huge commercial acts. they're
> spoonfed easily digested music, and are satisfied with it.
> they don't go digging into obscure musics, or into
> individual artists backcatalogues or anything like that.
> music is a background aspect of their lives, a soundtrack to
> their daily grind. 
> someone who really gives a shit about music,
> especially musicians, are doing themselves an extreme
> disservice by focusing solely on any one style or genre.
> it's one thing to have a deep appreciation for something
> and a true depth of knowledge about it, but it's sort of
> akin to only ever eating steak and potatoes. the kids that
> you mention will probably eventually give up on creating
> their own music because their lack of passion doesn't
> allow them to ever gain any deeper understanding of music as
> a cultural ideal (that is to say, something that can be
> appreciated across a variety of stylistic
> choices).
> Additionally,
>  they don't have any concept of longer forms of
> music.  They never listen to an artist's albums
> because they are always purchasing
> single songs on iTunes.   I frequently
> get, "Jimi Hendrix?    What songs
> does he do?"    I have to admit that I
> can't remember all the song
> titles on the wonderful Electric Ladyland double album but
> try to convince them that they are missing something if
> they are only playing his
> 'greatest hits' and not experience how he, as an
> artist created this beautiful long form musical work.
> Listen to single tracks out of order
> from THE side of Abbey Road by the Beatles and you've
> missed something important in my own opinion.
> 
> i definitely agree. this is far and away (for me) the
> greatest downside to the notion of digital purchasing. while
> i'm generally down with the idea of allowing people the
> option to cherry pick albums, it definitely does cause some
> problems for listening to the context of the work as a
> whole. abbey road is a perfect example. i do love the
> "shuffle" option, because it can expose me to deep
> cuts from the bowels of my music collection. but it can
> definitely detract from gaining a deeper understanding of
> the artist intent, particularly when the album sequencing is
> done intentionally to expose some kind of dramatic arc
> across the length of the album. that said, we can't
> change the ADHD nature of our society, so it's up to us
> to work within that limitation (or ignore it, as the case
> may often be).
> my original post was made mostly just because i
> am surrounded by musicians and label people constantly, and
> this whole "the industry is collapsing" thing is
> all i ever hear. and a lot of that gets blamed on MP3
> technology, which is just nuts. that's like blaming cars
> for car accidents. having seen a wide variety of creative
> expression here on this list, i was just a little surprised
> to hear that type of thing happening here. i do have hope
> that there is a solution out there waiting to be found. but
> sitting around and complaining about it won't
> necessarily do it. luddite tactics ("cds / vinyls / wax
> cylinders were better than mp3") aren't going to
> fly either. it's up to US to choose what we do with the
> technology available to us.
> ps, that said, i don't have the answer
> either. but i keep my eyes and ears open to
> possibilities.
>  - tyler / informatik -
> www.nymphomatik.com
> ===================  
> 

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