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Louie Angulo wrote: > Which makes us just wining morons;-) > Luis I reckon there's 2 sides to this. Essentially us loopers are looking towards small companies to develop new tools. We also want them to modify those tools after release to suit our needs. We're going to have to have patience if we want that to happen. If there's teething troubles with a product, then that's to be expected. Large companies have the budget to do extensive testing on their products, and they also decide the feature set before development, which makes testing *a lot* easier. That's where we get the idea that a new product is going to be perfect from day one. The other side is that some small companies could sometimes do a bit more to recognise this situation, recognise the skills of their user base and not try to behave like large companies. Where small companies are open, and are prepared to engage users as equals there's hardly any whingeing and whining. andy butler ps and when a large company releases a product that doesn't work...I dunnow....let's just slag 'em off :-)