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Thanks for the feedback one and all, I don't have the money right now for one anyway, even though they are on special at $269 with the expander through the end of march. but I realized that this was a product with so much potential and depth yet it might be like learning a whole new instrument or at the very least, completely changing ones paradigm about how they hit a switch with their foot and what kind of shoe or lack of one works best.. i'm sorry the reality hasn't quite lived up to the potential, for some of you , but I do like the people at the company, and they do seem to be listening and working to correct some of the issues we have been discussing. And its encouraging to see that some of you have been able to make it work, I thought there might be a few of you out there, so I check in from time to time. To be honest at this point people with current software and recent experience are ones i'm most interested in hearing from, if you don't mind taking the time to chime in. Thanks Bill