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Please don't any body drop off of this wonderful list because of something I said! Nah Dan... Fuck music.. Im just here for the knob twiddling... no really... music for me has been a marriage of sound and technology for years.. being able to play a few scales and hold down a few chords has never done it for me... guitar wasnt guitar till I discovered distortion and delay... Basicaly my instrument is looping, luckily I discovered it pretty early, and that has always involved some kinda technology. I think its interesting what other people are doing with new technology, but I cant move that fast, I would be broke, AND I would never get any of my music done, I would be reading too many manuals and configering drivers... This list is not a great big gear advert to me.. its a community of people that understand what I do... thats refreshing, because it gives me someone to talk to... as for playing live, I dont care if they understand or not... actually I prefer not... Anyone had that "That was great man, but I shame you had to have some stuff on tape" ... then you get to say "No tape here... just played live" I love that... heh heh but hey.. be careful in those caves Andy! Mark On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote: >> I myself am seeing this to the point of >> maybe even signing off this list for a while > > OH!!! Ouch! Damn! I have lurked on this list for long-- Keeping my >trap shut. And now, I pop up few times with some dumb chit and artists >start dropping off !! >> At some point, I think you have to look at the raw reality of the fact >> that maybe my/your/our fascination with another glitch or knob or pedal >> or VST or HDWR is really just an excuse not to be making, growing and >> learning about our actual music. apologize all around, really. > > > I know what you mean when you say you just need to get the music out >there. And its true that technology pursuit can derail the focus on >creative expression. I have this artistic struggle myself-- I suspect >many here do . I believe its a left brain right brain thing-- like all >musicianship. Think about it. Your capacity to play your instrument, >sing in key, control timbre, write a good song, book and promote, set up >the PA to sound good at the gig-- all this stuff is developed through >arduous self discipline, trial and error, return to bat again an again. > > The people on this list who really know me can vouch for the weird >absence of my solo work in a sizable body of released recordings. An >endless cycle of innovation opportunity and challenge is certainly one of >the reasons that my own album is not in my catalog--I want to break new >ground with any personal artistic statement that I make.... Well, I am >no pup any more. It recently occurred to me that I might be mortal after >all. And with this humbling notion came the certainty the only real >ground that need be broken in order to truly innovate is within. Whether >I play a ten can and a string or a complex looping rig. > > Still the range of my expression when playing tin can... leaves >something to be desired. > > Right now, I am giving a lot more time to my right brain-- writing with >the lap steel and acoustic guitar, singing, writing lyrics and songs--- >But this is not at the expense of my looping pursuit. It is in >compliment. The songs I am writing and the potent production methods I >follow are informed by the ten thousand hours of technical discipline >that precedes my creativity. I think what I am saying is, the pendulum >swings. Go open you creative dam and let it flow-- but don't sell your >rig. It will come back around. > > And with that-- I am shutting up. > > Please don't any body drop off of this wonderful list because of >something I said! > Daniel > > > > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > >> ......Daniel T said..... >> >> >> "No matter what your platform, (i prefer them all :) the price of >> admission to create unique and idiosyncratic art with a looper is often >> high. Thats not to say that you can't make great looping art with a >> delay pedal, but if you want to innovate performance workflows that >> facilitate your own compositional style, you may have to buck up the >> midnight oil in a very big way. I certainly have had to pay a lot of >> dues to the "WTF-is-going-on-now-Gods" in order to break through on any >> looping platform...HW or SW." >> >> >> >> I just wanted to say, man that is some smart sh_t right there!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> DT if you ever start a commune or something dude I am in. >> >> At some point, I think you have to look at the raw reality of the fact >> that maybe my/your/our fascination with another glitch or knob or pedal >> or VST or HDWR is really just an excuse not to be making, growing and >> learning about our actual music. I myself am seeing this to the point of >> maybe even signing off this list for a while, not because I don't love >> ya'll, best list I was ever on, but I gotta move on and make some music >> out in that scary non=looping understanding world!!!! >> >> So, I'm going out, out of the closet, out of the basement, into the >> storm!!!! Will let ya'll know how it works out, I am anxious to get your >> opinions on what I am gonna be doin. >> >> BUT first to a trade show in Boston (clams clams clams clams please tell >> me they are in season!!!) then cave diving in Mexico Yucatan Peninsula >> for ten days. Anybody looping in Boston next week let me know >> Tues/Weds/Thurs nights will be there. >> >> So if I get lost in a deep dark cave ya'll can raffle off my rig, you're >> the only ones that could ever figure it out anyway!!! >> >> Andy Owens >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe